Buddha At The Gas Pump Interview With David, Part 9

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Rick: …they don’t really give a hoot what anybody thinks and they do all this weird stuff, some of which is morally irreprehensible by society’s standards. I usually tend to evaluate them in terms of what Ken Wilbert talks about, in terms of the lines of development, where one might be very advanced along one line of development but still have a lot of work to do along other lines. I suppose it’s equally possible that those lines of development are irrelevant and they are just sort of behaving as a natural - if not albeit bizarre expression in some cases, of divine intelligence.

David: You can also be outrageous in the sense of being so normal, that with such total humanity present at that point, that the non-eccentric nature of the behavior might itself be shocking.

Rick: Can you give an example of that?

David: Yeah, you know, like in Zen they say, “When I eat I eat, when I sleep I sleep.” They’re just pointing toward an identification completely with human experience. There’s a sense of having reached the final of the final and there’s a communication about that paradox that everything has been achieved and nothing at all. This would display itself in different ways in any context in which that human being has lived.

Rick: There is a story about Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. He was eating with some other yogis or saints and one of them or a couple of them were commenting, “I am eating Brahman,” or something like that and Maharishi said, “I’m eating rice.”

David: Very ordinary.

Rick: Well, I could sit here for the next three hours asking you more questions.

David: We can do this again.

Rick: Yeah, it might be better to do it in installments. We can do another one in a few months or six months or something like that because we’ve been going for about an hour and a half or so I’d say. This is very enjoyable and still, it’s just my nature to go on like this and I could think of more and more things I’d like to ask you, but I’m sort of feeling right now this might be a good time for us to wrap it up. I think this has been a very rich and full session and I think people will enjoy it a lot.

Incidentally, I listened to all of your YouTube videos. You’ve got dozens of them and I enjoyed them very much and I’d like to encourage any of my listeners to do the same. If you just go to YouTube and search on David Spero you’ll find a whole list of them and this show itself is on Buddha at the Gas Pump’s blog site which is at http://batgap.com, in case someone has sent it to you and you don’t know how to find it, that’s where it is. There are about twenty-five other interviews there, more every week. It’s also on YouTube. There’s a Buddha at the Gas Pump channel and it’s also a podcast. So if you like to listen to things while you are driving to work or something, you don’t have time to listen at other times, you can get this on your iPod and listen that way - so a variety of things. And I will link to your site David from http://batgap.com so people can find that easily. Have you written any books or anything?

David: I've written one book, Beyond the Place of Laughter and Tears in the Land of Devotion, which can be ordered through www.friendsofdavidspero.org. There should be another book coming out from an Australian writer that has me featured in an interview format similar to what we’ve been doing. That should be out in - I don’t know, I’m hesitant to say because it’s not my publication but maybe within a month, three months or six months.

Rick: And then you live in the Bay Area, San Rafael and you give satsangs and meetings around that area?

David: Yes, I’m not living in San Rafael but I’m living in Marin County not far from San Rafael and I don’t call them satsangs I just call them public meetings. They are on my http://www.davidspero.org calendar if anyone wants to come by. They might be shocked and disappointed when they see me in person.

Rick: They are getting a good look at you now. I think they’ll be pleasantly surprised because I’m sure there is a very good feeling in the room when you have these meetings. And you also do retreats or more extended things or is it usually just one day events?

David: Just one day events.

Rick: Do you ever travel to other parts of the country to give talks or anything?

David: A long time ago you invited me to come out to Fairfield and I’ve been very tempted many times to come. I haven’t yet gotten around to fulfilling that but hopefully at some point I can take a trip out to the Midwest and be with you perhaps.

Rick: That’d be nice.

David: In a live situation - I do thank you for your interest in inviting me.

Rick: Sure. And it might be that others who are listening to this would like to invite you to come to their areas to meet with them if you are inclined to do that. They know how to get in touch with you if they just go to your website they can connect with you.

David: Sure.

Rick: Well thanks a lot David. So, we’ll be in touch. We’ll keep sending each other left-winged political diatribes and we’ll have another interview like this in some months and I’m sure nothing would have changed much for you but hopefully my understanding would have deepened.

David: One last thing is that for people who really would like to be with me in a live event and not come to California, we have webcasts that go around the world. I wanted to let people know that that’s available.

Rick: That’s right. It’s every Wednesday night isn’t it?

David: Yes, it’s every Wednesday night and Saturday mornings - not every Saturday morning. Just check www.friendsofdavidspero.org, you can sign up to get my newsletter on that website. I even recommend that site right now more than my www.davidspero.org, although they should be merging soon into one website www.davidspero.org. But for the present moment www.friendsofdavidspero.org contains all the information on weekly webcasts. And I would like to express an invitation to everyone, a warm welcome to partake in that.

Rick: Good, good. I’m sure many people will. OK, well thanks. It’s hard to hang up but let’s do that and we’ll talk again soon. Namaste.

David: Namaste. Thank you.