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By michael ortega 9 years 8 months ago

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I excerpt this quote from David's writing, 'The Fire Beyond Self-Realization'( which is available to be read at DavidSpero.org).

"In Self-realization the emotions were transcended. In a sense, there was nothing you could really feel in that Self-realized state that could really make a significant impact, any significant impact in your Awareness. But once the Self “fades,” then the identification with the Absolute dissolves. By the way, it doesn’t dissolve existentially. I want to be very clear about this. It doesn’t dissolve in reality. Only the sensation, the experience of It fades. Okay? You’ve got it? Only the experience of It fades.

The emotions are then set free in that vast silence, where they panic - the feelings panic because the nature of feeling is to want an object. Feeling always wants an object. It’s its nature; it’s its beautiful, exquisite, relational nature. So it craves “the Other.” It craves, really, the Beloved, at that point, the forgotten Beloved Self. But if existentially you are nothing but the Self, what can the feelings really do? Where really can they go to find this “Other,” this Beloved?

The feelings begin to combust. It’s really the introduction to a maddening state. Have you ever been in love? I mean, have you ever really been taken with someone? You know what happens! You can’t get them out of your head. You can’t get them out of your mind. It’s just like the Absolute that you once experienced in nirvana and the processes leading up to nirvana – the whole process of glimpsing, re-glimpsing until you become the Glimpser. Now this whole thing gets re-enacted in the field of feeling. Feeling is craving the Supreme Beloved, the Adorable One. But, it’s already in a nondual state (that was achieved in Self-realization, right?). I’m going to keep going back and forth so you understand. I don’t want to lose you.

The emotions begin to heat up, profoundly. It’s a discomforting state of aggravated feeling. In fact, you could even say, that the essential aspects of every emotion are activated – anger, fear, sorrow – but in an illumined state.

The human being naturally begins to be turned on itself in a most enthralling manner. You’ve felt deep sexual passion, deep sexual desire? It’s like that. Only, where is it going to go? There’s no “other.” So the feelings begin to really feel themselves for the very first time."

I am noticing this exact experience. I noticed yesterday in the intensive, and today. I felt it while sitting with David, yesterday, and on the break when speaking with people, and alone today while meditating. My feelings go into an intense craving for an unknowable expression, like craving an “Other”, but this desire is bewildering, because no action with an Other, would satisfy this desire, at least not in any conventional sense. It’s like wanting to reach out to different people and commune with them in ecstatic, primal joy (not to be taken too literally!), a thoroughly deconditioned ecstasy that is boundless. But the desire doesn’t work out in any concrete sense because such desire in the physical world wouldn’t be plausible, or rational, or even real. It's a reaching out through Consciousness for an unknown culmination. David's metaphor of the child going crazy with joy playing with the toy is quite apt. No expression I can think of will satisfy this feeling, but it remains. It really is “ a discomforting state of aggravated feeling." So I suppose I am "feeling feelings feeling themselves," as David says. There is nothing to do with with it, which is bewildering. It is directionless.

I shared this with David and his response was:

"Yes, what is described here is the equivalancy of utter Self-Expansion (read "Realization" here) on the level of the emotions, or, you could also say, the Self beginning to filter in into the feeling-body. It's what the Self 'feels like' to that part of the being."

By Suma 9 years 8 months ago

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Found this beautiful Poem on internet and wanted to share with everyone:

The guided breath surrendered to the deity of bliss
The mind in its awareness gripping form to be spirit
The fire beyond the mind laying forth the body as the mundane finite

The three of oneness as past, present and future breaking into the infinite now
The three having become- the one as within the 'body' nourishing the form; the one knowing space as realms of presence; and the one tending heart's fire in the inner heart shrine
dancing as the resonance...eeeee...and guiding the breath to ignite and grow the muladhara fire to be set free!

Breath guided as the mind plunges below within the inhale to stroke up the kundalini fire
there.. becoming.. and indulging in the pleasure of silence, gently climb back to resume the love-seat between the eyebrows.. the divine threshold
.....dance in this joy of light
.. .........in this is the grand union that reveals
.................She as Mahakali !!!
.......................Her mind-child as the surrendered mind awake.
............................detached, all is love and fulfilled.
.......................................love as to know her.
..............................................goodness conquers
........................................................as the yogi's breath.

To the yogi, the Mother!
Sparkling to be found!
The joy of light becoming!!!

By michael ortega 9 years 8 months ago

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In one of the latest videos that David posted to YouTube, which is entitled 'Tantra, Kundlini Shakti, Alchemy.' David said:

" Shakti is like a magnet to restful silence. Shakti will emerge out of empty Shiva, quiet Shiva, relaxed Shiva; so what we're looking for is the marriage of Shiva and Shakti. We want to feel how they interpenetrate, we want to feel our own Being making love to Itself, which is the highest form of Tantra. It is what all Tantra points to; the inner alchemical transformation, whereby the energy within your own Being makes love to Itself."

In an earlier blog, I wrote that:

"The true Master introduces you into the highest potentialities of Consciousness so that you might know that the one who asks a question inwardly is the one who answers it--that you are That. There is a masculine and feminine alchemy to this process. In the Tantric scriptures this is often symbolized by Shiva and Parvati, or Shakti. Parvati asks Shiva for instruction and Initiation into the nature of Ultimate Reality, and Shiva answers."

This entire dialogue takes place in our own Consciousness. Just as the dialogue between Krishna and Arjuna takes place in our own Consciousness. Between the Higher Self and the lower sense of identity, or between Silence and Energy. Osho speculated that the entire dialogue between Krishna and Arjuna took place in an instant; that no words were exchanged, that perhaps Krishna looked at Arjuna and this entire teaching took place with that look. It seems that these stories are all metaphors for what is actually happening in Consciousness, when Consciousness becomes subtle enough to notice, or allow for the possibility that this can happen; then it can begin making love to Itself. Silence and Energy come together like the male and female deities in Tantric embrace. All of these stories, and images are emblematic signs of actual esoteric events within Consciousness as it becomes more and more refined in meditation.

" The Self, which is present in every form and is self-luminous, does both the questioning and answering itself as if by dividing itself into questioner and the answerer itself, both being itself at the same time."
-Abhinavagupta ( quote taken from 'Kashmir Shaivism', The Central Philosophy of Tantrism, by Kamalakar Mishra, 1999

Thus every event, all spiritual awakening, all understanding, all Transmission from the Teacher takes place in Consciousess. The logical mind may be employed, but always within the context of Consciousness, of the silence of Shiva and the pulsating Shakti. This is where the true communication resides, in Being-Consciousness- Bliss, known in sanskrit as Satchitananda. This is actually outside of the time of cause and effect and logic, it is non-linear, acausal, atemporal. It is samadhi,

Here is a quote from the Wikipedia page on samadhi, which you all might find interesting -if you have not yet read it.

"Samadhi is the main subject of the first part of the Yoga Sutras called Samadhi-pada. According to Vyasa, a major figure in Hinduism and one of the traditional authors of the Mahabharata, "yoga is samadhi." This is generally interpreted to mean that Samadhi is a state of complete control (samadhana) over the functions and distractions of consciousness.
Samadhi is described in different ways within Hinduism such as the state of being aware of one’s Existence without thinking, in a state of undifferentiated “Beingness" or as an altered state of consciousness that is characterized by bliss (ananda) and joy (sukha).
Furthermore, samadhi has been categorised as:
Laya Samadhi
Savikalpa Samadhi
Nirvikalpa Samadhi
Sahaja Samadhi
Laya Samadhi is a latent ("laya"), potential level of samadhi. It begins in deep meditation or trance—even with movement, such as dancing. This kind of samadhi is a state of joy, deep and general well-being, and peaceful meditation.
Savikalpa Samadhi refers to the initial temporary state of full-valued samadhi. The conscious mind is still active, as is the kalpa, meaning imagination. One should compare this meaning to that of sankalpa, which is "wish." Kalpa takes on a different, but related, meaning to sankalpa because one must use imagination or consciousness (kalpa) to envision a wish or desire (sankalpa). Conversely, vikalpa means "against imagination." At this final level of samadhi, the mind has become quiet and given up its desires and attendant. Vikalpa leads to the Truth, releasing one from any binds of mind (which are mostly imaginations). In Savikalpa Samadhi, we get the taste of Bliss and Beingness, but are still attached to our erroneous identification with the body as well as to our numerous worldly attractions.
Nirvikalpa Samadhi is the highest transcendent state of consciousness. In this state there is no longer mind, duality, or subject-object relationship or experience. [3] Upon entering Nirvikalpa Samadhi, the differences we saw before have faded and we can see everything as one. In this condition nothing but pure Awareness remains and nothing is missing to take away from Wholeness and Perfection.
Entering samadhi in the beginning takes effort and holding on to a state of samadhi takes even more effort. The beginning stages of samadhi (Laya and Savikalpa Samadhi) are only temporary. By "effort" it is not meant that the mind has to work more. Instead, it means work to control the mind and release the self. Note that normal levels of meditation (mostly the lower levels) can be held automatically, as in "being in the state of meditation" rather than overtly "meditating." The ability to obtain positive results from meditation is much more difficult than simply meditating. It is recommended to find a qualified spiritual master (guru or yogi) who can teach a meditator about the workings of the mind.
Samadhi is the only stable unchanging reality; all else is ever-changing and does not bring everlasting peace or happiness.
Staying in Nirvikalpa Samadhi is effortless but even from this condition one must eventually return to ego-consciousness. Otherwise, this highest level of Samadhi leads to Nirvana, which means total Unity and the logical end of individual identity (and also death of the body). However, it is entirely possible to stay in Nirvikalpa Samadhi and yet be fully functional in this world. This condition is known as Sahaja Nirvikalpa Samadhi or Sahaja Samadhi. Only the truly Enlightened can be and remain spontaneously free.
In Nirvikalpa Samadhi, all attachment to the material world is dissolved. All awareness is withdrawn step by step from the physical, astral and causal bodies until self-realization or oneness with the soul is achieved. During this process, breathing ceases and the heart stops beating[citation needed]. Aware and fully conscious oneness with soul is then achieved in a most loving way, and all cells of the physical body are flooded with the Ocean of Divine Love and Divine Bliss for any period of duration—hours, days, weeks, until the individual shifts his awareness from the soul back to the physical body. Being fully functional in this world, his awareness stays in connection with the Divine. But some "strange" conditions accompany this state—better health (the body is sustained by Divine Grace), better feelings (even for other people who may contact the body which the enlightened soul has reidentified with) and various miraculous happenings may occur in connection with the Enlightened one.
[edit]In Bhakti
The Vaishnava Bhakti Schools of Yoga define Samadhi as "complete absorption into the object of one's love (Krishna)." Rather than thinking of "nothing," true samadhi is said to be achieved only when one has pure, unmotivated love of God. Thus samadhi can be entered into through meditation on the personal form of God, even while performing daily activities a practitioner can strive for full samadhi.
"Anyone who is thinking of Krsna always within himself, he is first-class yogi." If you want perfection in yoga system, don't be satisfied only by practicing a course of asana. You have to go further. Actually, the perfection of yoga system means when you are in samadhi, always thinking of the Visnu form of the Lord within your heart, without being disturbed... Controlling all the senses and the mind. You have to control the mind, control the senses, and concentrate everything on the form of Vishnu. That is called perfection of yoga" - A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada [4]
"Meditation means to absorb your mind in the Supreme Personality of Godhead. That is meditation, real meditation. In all the standard scriptures and in yoga practice formula, the whole aim is to concentrate one's mind in the Supreme Personality of Godhead. That is called samadhi, samadhi, ecstasy. So that ecstasy is immediately brought by this chanting process. You begin chanting and hear for the few seconds or few minutes: you immediately become on the platform of ecstasy." - A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada [5]"

Here is the link to that page, as well as to Satchitananda.




By paul 9 years 9 months ago

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David's second interview with Reena from SoulAlert.com took place recently and I posted more about it in the forum. I loved this interview and while discussing it with David, he told us that the very last thing he said right before the interview ended was the most profound moment of the entire discussion.

You can listen to the interview here or read comments from other Friends in the forums.

By paul 9 years 9 months ago

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David's full quote on page 13 of his book, Beyond the Place of Laughter and Tears in the Land of Devotion is:
"There is a kind of spiritual madness that is known only by the greatest Lovers of mankind. For, them, the accomplishments of worldly life are like toys in the playpens of children."

I was reading David's book prior to the September 22nd event at the San Fransisco Zen Center and that quote it touched me deep down inside.

After considering the quote for a few moments I realized two things:
1) I am profoundly caught in the daily demands, temptations, delights and terrors we call life.

2) David's heroic spiritual strength is unfathomable not only because he has cut though the phantasmagorical display of his own life to find the Truth, but, I believe, because he also freely gives the power for us to do the same (have we the courage to accept that power).

In those reflective moments, I saw the thick illusion of my life and all its contents as a heavy "crowding in" of stuff into the space of my mind. In the middle of all this crowding was a spot or thread or doorway of empty vastness (hard to explain really). This empty vastness was a "punching though" of the crowded room of my mind by David's Luminous Consciousness. This luminous empty spot had kind of an easy "falling intoness" quality which was activated simply by placing my attention on that empty area. It was a lifeline in the midst of a stormy and chaotic ocean.

It was all very subtle but had a powerful effect. I've been considering that quote all day as I'm working away earning a living trying to accomplish something in this world. Life is demanding and loud but thinking about my accomplishments as "toys in the playpens of children" has reminded me of what is really important and as I did this remembering I noticed, stronger and stronger, that my heart had been aching to see David again.